Muhammad

[Peter]

This category is included to collect information about Mohammed, as bequeathed to us through the Quran and hadith, so we can get a better idea as to what kind of man he was.

Sometimes I present an argument to Muslims on YouTube such as:

Surely you can see how peculiar it is to suggest that the 1600 year record of God to mankind, through all of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in that record, that God's people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, would be nullified hundreds of years after that record closed, through the 23 year record of recitations of A SINGLE, STAND-ALONE, 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, mass murdering, child doing, female prisoner abusing, stepson's only wife taking, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, vow and oath breaking, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief that blinded people with hot nails, cut off their hands and feet and burned people alive. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ and the New Testament.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

(Each characterization has a link to more specifics on the subjects from the Quran and Hadith for discussion of each characterization.)

I challenge Muslims to advise as to whether a single characterization, is not supported by Islam's own books, so I can make corrections to the list. To date there has not been effective refutation of a single one of the above characterizations. Muslims offer the same tired "you are insulting our prophet" line ad nauseum, but it is Islam's own books that insult Mohammed, not those of us that simply point it out.

I would appreciate it, if Muslims would log in to this forum, and provide corrections for the list on the threads at the links. Of course my brief, and relatively Mohammed friendly list, pales in comparison to others such as Sina's $50,000 challenge to correct his list: http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Following Mohammed may have been understandable for a bunch of 7th century desert dwelling illiterates that lusted after the property, wives, and children of others. But the only way Muslims loyalty to such a man, can be reasonably explained away in this 21st century information age, is that Mohammed's followers are filled with the spirit of antichrist.

So I inquire of our Muslim friends:

God's people have followed him for 3500 years through 2 covenants by the 1600 year record of ALL of the prophets, apostles and witnesses in God's Holy Word.

Muslims must necessarily REJECT ALL of the prophets and apostles as they are revealed in that record, to follow the 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century "prophet", that had no fulfilled prophecy, that not a single person ever heard Gabriel or Allah's voice give a revelation to, who never performed a single miracle, that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ. They also must REJECT ALL of the prophets and witnesses as they are revealed in the Old Testament, for Mohammed's historically impossible version of those prophets, even reciting as though Abraham and Nimrod were contemporaries, even though they didn't live within 700 years of each other.
http://www.petewaldo.com/islam_is_the_opposite.htm

The Quran teaches that Mohammed was a thief.

Accounts in the hadith range from Mohammed's first caravan plundering, to the theft of imperialistic conquest of Islamic Jihad, that eventually stole the property of others all the way up to Poitiers France and Vienna.

Indeed a whole chapter in the Quran is titled "8 - Spoils of War - Booty" that detail's Mohammed's and "Allah's" 1/5 share of the property stolen from others.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html
Even women are spoils of Islamic conquest.

"O prophet! We have made lawful to thee ... whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war ... this only for thee, and not for believers [at large]; we know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hand possess;... (Sura 33:50-51)

The bible says that thieves will not enter the kingdom of God:

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

So my Muslim friends, doesn't it ever strike you as odd that you must necessarily reject ALL of the upright prophets and apostles of the New Testament/new covenant (who died horrific martyrs deaths to stand up for Jesus Christ (video)), for the 23 year record of recitation of A SINGLE 7th century illiterate thief?
http://www.biblebelievers.com/foxes/fox101.htm
http://www.homecomers.org/mirror/martyrs010.htm#67

One that even himself believed it to have been jinn (demons) that met him in the cave, that he felt tried to squeeze the life out of him 3 times, on that fateful day?

Why would you reject ALL of the prophets and apostles to follow the STAND-ALONE record of A SINGLE 7th century unrepentant THIEF?
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That's among the least of the charges. Why follow an unrepentant murderer instead of sinless Jesus Christ?
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0
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The Myths of Mohammed
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-home.htm

It would seem Mohammed increasingly cultivated a hatred for Jews as his new religion was rejected by them. They had already been following God for 2,000 years before Mohammed invented his religion. Indeed we see the same hatred manifest in today's Islam, inspired by such gems as this hadith:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'" (video)
Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 - Sunna: Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985) USC had to remove this "inspired" Islamic hadith as hate speech, but does not repudiate it).

1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

More modern examples are the Islamic Mufti of Jerusalem joined along with 2 Islamic panzer divisions in Hitler's genocide of the Jews: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=268.msg970#msg970

Let alone what we have witnessed in the Middle East today with Ahmadeenijad, Arafat etc. calling for the complete annihilation of the Jewish people and driving them into the sea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xHQ3lX9GE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZHWhsc7wvg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel." - Benjamin Netanyahu

Though Mohammed's hatred was comprised of a much broader brush, extending to the entire non-Muslim community, or dar el harb:

Sura 8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

To pimping out your sex slaves for profit:

Surah 24:33 ... Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. and if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be forgiving, Merciful.

But IF they don't desire chastity then pimp them out and enjoy!
And even if you force them Mohammed's Allah will forgive anyway. Pretty convenient god for a band of 7th century murdering, rapist thieves!

From the murder of poets at his behest: http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0

To the rape, pillage and plunder of the imperialism of the Islamic First Jihad that slaughtered it's way up to Tours/Poitiers, France and Vienna Austria. The theft of the property of others has been key since Mohammed raided his first caravan, and the stolen property became so cumbersome during the First Jihad that it actually impeded it's progress.

"The Koran tells how Mohammed made a peace treaty with the Jews of a certain city in the Arabian peninsula. But within two years, he found a pretext to suddenly break the treaty, attack his surprised victims, and then behead all the Jewish men in the public square. Mohammed's tactic is held up by the Muslim Arabs as a hallowed model. It is enshrined in Muslim legal practice which has it that Muslims are not obligated for long to honor peace treaties with non Muslims -- infidels.

It is not the 800 Jews of Medina [slaughtered by Mohammed in 627 AD], but millions of infidels slaughtered in subsequent centuries that should make us pause and reflect. Not only that. Those who defend the Prophet [Mohammed] should reflect on the fate of the millions of infidels for whose heads the mujahid's knife is being sharpened in all Islamic countries right at this moment."
http://www.peacefaq.com/muhammad.html

What about the man? In this hadith we find a picture of a 53 year old splashing in the tub (among other things) with his - already violated - 9 year old "wife":

bukhari (6:298) Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

She further commented:

Bukhari (4:232) - Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

Book 1, Number 0270: Narrated Aisha,
Ummul Mu'minin:   Umarah ibn Ghurab said that his paternal aunt narrated to him that she asked Aisha: What if one of us menstruates and she and her husband have no bed except one? She replied: I relate to you what the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) had done.

    One night he entered (upon me) while I was menstruating. He went to the place of his prayer, that is, to the place of prayer reserved (for this purpose) in his house. He did not return until I fell asleep heavily, and he felt pain from cold. And he said: Come near me. I said: I am menstruating. He said: Uncover your thighs. I, therefore, uncovered both of my thighs. Then he put his cheek and chest on my thighs and I lent upon he until he became warm and slept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuZQGETM-70
Excellent video series with insights into Mohammed's personal life from the hadith and sunna
http://www.youtube.com/user/podremvc

Mohammed exposed Ali to assassins that were intended for him:

"The Koreishites, finding the prophet had thus entered into a league with those of Yathreb, and that his party at Mecca stuck close to him, determined to assassinate him.[11] Being informed of their designs, he made his escape by throwing, says my author, a handful of dust upon the heads of the infidels; but first having put his own green vest upon Ali, and ordered him to lie down in his place, which he did. The assassins peeped in through a crevice of the door, and seeing the green vest, thought themselves sure of him, till Ali came out in the morning; and then, finding their mistake, sent out parties in pursuit of him. Here Mohammed had a narrow escape. "

Regarding Mohammed's bravery, he handed his sword of to someone else to carry into battle while he retired to a distant hilltop with a dozen body guards and two suits of chain mail. The battle was eventually lost and the hill overrun, whereupon Mohammed played possum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1MiLqH0jc

Mohammed's intense cruelty:
When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered  for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and whey were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, "They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.") (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261)

Islam is a STAND ALONE 7th century religion for men, specifically at the expense of women: http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam.htm

Sura (4:34) - Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her.  Her skin was bruised so badly that she is described as being "greener" than the green veil she was wearing.  Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

Try a Yahoo or YouTube search - Islam honor killing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbPhTnQcNu0
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-562358/Teenage-Iraqi-girl-fell-love-BRITISH-soldier-Basra-murdered-father-honour-killing.html

Where did Mohammed get that stuff?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XETaLC1eDEM

While the above involved considerable soft peddling there are plenty of others that take a much stronger approach:
http://www.islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=115.0

Do you have anything to add? As I move along in my internet travels I will add to this thread as more becomes available.

Mohammed the thief: http://www.youtube.com/user/allahaleg

[Peter]

Disappeared from forum then restored from database on 1-1-16

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024363.php Father Zakaria Botros on "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"

Life TV’s Father Zakaria Botros recently ran a show dedicated to discussing the question of morality and how it is—or should be—one of the hallmarks of “prophethood.” At the start, he posed the focal question of the show: “Was Muhammad the prophet a moral man—the most upright man, worthy of being emulated by the world?”

He opened the show by relying on an Ibn Taymiyya quote, which evaluated the signs of prophethood. Taymiyya asserted that there are many false-prophets, such as Musailima “the Liar,” a contemporary of Muhammad. Taymiyya concluded that many of these so-called prophets are, in fact, “possessed,” and that the only way to determine the authenticity of any prophet is by examining his biography (sira) and deeds, and see if he be found worthy of the title.

Being that this is the first of several episodes devoted to examining the concepts of morality and prophethood (with the notion that the former reinforces the latter), the theme for this particular episode was “purity” (tahara): "Was Muhammad a 'pure' man?"—in this context, a question concerning his sexual mores (or lack thereof).

After the preliminaries, Botros looked at the camera and gave a stern warning: “This episode is for adults only! I am going to discuss many things that make me blush for shame, so please: have the women and children leave the room.”

He then asked Muslims watching to keep in mind the question “Is this the prophet I follow?” as he delineated some of Muhammad’s sexual habits.

First, from the Koran, Botros read verses unequivocally stating that Muhammad is the paragon of all virtue and morality, such as “And most surely you [Muhammad] conform (yourself) to sublime morality [68: 4].” He further quoted the ulema, such as Ibn Kathir, all insisting that Muhammad was the “Noblest of all humanity, and the greatest of prophets.”

Botros and his ex-Muslim cohost—the priest had insisted that it be a man for this particular show, lest he be too ashamed to delineate Muhammad’s sexual habits—discussed Koran 4:3, which “limits” a Muslim's wives to four, plus “what your right hands possess,” that is, slave-girls.

That was apparently not good enough for Muhammad, asserted Botros; an entire verse had to be “revealed” justifying more women for him (Koran 33:50). In fact, Father Botros has carefully compiled a list of all the women—66 are known—to have had sexual relations with Muhammad.

Botros said that was only normal: according to Sirat Al-Halabi, Muhammad can have a woman no matter what, even against her will; and if Muhammad desired a married woman, her husband would have had to divorce her. According to Ibn Sa’ad, who wrote another authoritative biographical account of Muhammad, “The prophet did not die till all women were permitted him” (see Kitab Al Tabaqat Al Kubra, v.8, 194).

The co-host, rather abruptly, interjected – “What of all those rumors that Muhammad exhibited homosexual tendencies?”

Botros dropped his face in his hands and mumbled, “So you still insist we discuss that?” The co-host was adamant, saying it was for Muslims’ own good to know everything.

Thus Botros, after profusely apologizing to his Muslim viewers, saying how embarrassing this was for him, declared: “Look! We’re merely readers here, bringing up what we have read in Islam’s own books! If Muslims don't like it, they should go and burn these books.”

The first anecdote discussed by the priest revolved around a hadith that, while some ulema say is “weak,” is, nonetheless according to Botros, present in 44 Islamic books—including some highly respected collections, such as Sunan Bayhaqi and Al Halabi.

According to this hadith, a man named Zahir, who used to declare that “the prophet loves me,” said that one day Muhammad crept unawares behind him and put him in a bear-hug. Zahir, alarmed, yelled, “Get off me!” After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophet’s chest—prayers and blessings upon him."

Another curious hadith contained in Sunan Bayhaqi and which traces to Sunan Abu Dawud (one of the six canonical hadith collections), has Muhammad lifting up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, “from his bellybutton to his armpits.”

Botros looked casually at the camera and said, “Imagine if the sheikh of Al Azhar [nearest Muslim equivalent to the pope] went around lifting his shirt for men to kiss his torso” (he proceeded to make smacking kissing noises, for effect).

Said the co-host: “Surely there’s more?”

Botros: “Indeed there is. No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls"...

[Stay tuned for part II of "The perverse sexual habits of the Prophet"]
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024363.php
   

[Peter]

From a chat with a Muslim.
I sometimes characterize Mohammed as we find him revealed through the Quran and hadith as a:

7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.
A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

[[[[.... pillaging, plundering, ......]]]

8 - AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html

[[[......murdering,....]]]

Mohammed even had poets murdered in their sleep.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=127.0

Let alone his murderous imperialistic conquests, and murder of villages of Jews and the murder of Islam, all around the world, unto today. Everywhere we find murder, mayhem and misery around the world we find Islam. Over 13,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[[[[.... child doing, ......]]]

A 53 year old splashing in the tub with his 9 year old "wife":
bukhari (6:298) Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses).

[[[[.....stepson's wife taking,....]]]

"'Praise belongeth unto Allah who turneth the hearts of men as he willeth.'

"Zaid got the message and arranged to divorce his wife. Muhammad knew quite well that nothing short of a new "revelation" could save his face from this detestable act, so he dissuaded Zaid from putting his wife away until the transaction could be sanctioned by a "revelation" from Allah:

"Behold! thou didst say to one who had received the grace of God and thy Favor: 'retain thou [in wedlock] thy wife, and fear God.' But thou didst fear in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldest fear God. Then when Zaid had dissolved [his marriage] with her, with the necessary [formality], we joined her in marriage to thee: in order that in [the future] there may be no difficulty to the believers in [the matter of] marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the later have dissolved with the necessary [formality] [their marriage] with them. And God's command must be fulfilled." (Sura 33:37)" - from Islam Reviewed


[[[[..... sex slave capturing,........]]]

"O prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war....
...this only for thee, and not for believers [at large]; we know what we have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hand possess;..."

[[[....... slave pimping, ....]]]]

Sura 24:33:...But force not your maids to prostitution WHEN they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),

But WHEN they dont want to preserve their chastity then pimp em out and make some cash!
And even if you force them into prostitution Allah will forgive anyway!
What a convenient god!

[[[[....concubine fornicating,.....]]]

He had at least 2 children that resulted from fornicating with concubines.
Safiya Bint Huyway -
Rayhana Bint Zayd -
"Maria the Copt from Egypt, was another concubine of Mohammed. She bore him a son, Ibrahim, who died in infancy."
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/playboy.html
http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMohammedGetSoManyWives.htm
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu8p_JyRKmAQBmElXNyoA?p=mohammed+concubine+children+&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501&fr2=sb-top&sao=1

[[[[..... bloody imperialistic.....]]]

Of course the First Islamic Jihad speaks for itself with conquest of nearly the whole known world until stopped in Tours France.
The Islamic Second Jihad in the image of the first with over 13,000 deadly Islamic terror attacks around the world, just since 9-11.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[[[[.... coward......]]]]

Mohammed handed his sword to someone else to carry into battle while he retired to a distant hill to watch surrounded by 12 body guards while wearing 2 suits of chainmail. Talk about a COWARD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE3Lpiv9kO8

[[[[.... and thief,...]]]

A whole surah is devoted to disposition of property stolen from others through imperialistic conquest, even detailing Mohammed's 1/5 share.
8 AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/008.qmt.html

Very good YouTube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/podremvc

[[[.... ( THOSE THINGS YOU MUST SAY TO YOUR JEWS ) !!! ]]]

See? That's a lie and you know it. And if you ever read the Quran and hadith you also know all of the characterizations I made of your reprobate false prophet are TRUE!

[[[that met jinn in a cave ( I LOVE THE JINNS AND I CONTACT THEM ALL THE TIME THE MUSLIM JINNS OF COURSE THEY ARE WITH SO HIGH INTELLECT ) ( HOW ABOUT YOU ? YOU DON'T LIKE THE JINNS ? )]]]]

That's interesting. Mohammed's sugarmomma first wife had a former husband that was also in contact with jinn all the time. He said they gave him his news. It was likely that connection to jinn that Mohammed's wife missed on the death of her husband that made her want to encourage Mohammed to stay connected with the jinn he met in the cave.

[[[[ - a man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament, got it right.]]]]

God's people have worshiped Him for 3500 years, my friend. You worship Satan, without even knowing it. Look around you my friend. Look at the fruit.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[Peter]

[[[You've never read the Gospel according to Mark, have you.

PETEWALDO :
I AM FLUENT WITH ALL GOSPELS NOT ONLY WITH THE GOSPEL OF MARK!]]]

Well then at least you fully understand what your standing will be as an antichrist when you stand before Jesus in judgment. I feel much less sorry for you since you are so willfully disobedient.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

And of course then you realize that you follow a STAND-ALONE 7th century religion proffered by A SINGLE reprobate that WAS and taught, the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ and ALL of the prophets and apostles of the new covenant.

Why haven't you responded to my characterizations of your false prophet as a 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, stepson's wife taking, sex slave capturing, slave pimping, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic coward and thief.

Which of those characterizations are untrue according to your own books?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=336.msg1519#msg1519

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators,.....

Mohammed fornicated with concubines

.... nor idolaters,.....

Bowing to a black stone and going to it and marching around and around it and kissing and rubbing on it likey qualifies.

...... nor adulterers,...

Those concubines were not his wifes
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=699&letter=M#2377

.... nor effeminate,.....

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024363.php

..... nor abusers of themselves with mankind,......

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024363.php

....... 10 Nor thieves, .....

A whole sura titled 8 AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
details Mohammed's 1/5 share of the property stolen from others.

....nor covetous,...

coveting the lands of others as Mohammedans do unto this day

..... nor drunkards, nor revilers,....

Sura 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"

...... nor extortioners,....

http://www.youtube.com/user/podremvc

..... shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[Peter]

A summary with links regarding a black-hearted man that was a  pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, bloody imperialistic, conquering, thief.

During the first 13 years of Mohammed's religion he was barely able to win a hundred converts. Then he picked up the sword. It isn't hard to understand how he could raise an army of men who lusted after and rewarded themselves through the theft of property, wives, and children of others, but how can one explain the 21st century, civilized western followers of a man, who is revealed as possessing one of the blackest hearts in human history, through Islam's own books? The only answers that I can come up with is that your parents did, and you remain ignorant to Mohammed's record through your own books, or you are cognizant of Mohammed's record and possessed by the power of the spirit of antichrist. Can one of you Muslims explain to me why you would follow a man described as Mohammed, rather than following the only sin free man in human history, that even you believe is the Messiah, and the ONLY person ever conceived by a virgin, by the will of God.

[punisher]

Peter

Believe me a horrible dead end is awaiting for u, if u don't stop this, I have answer to all your question but  it seems u will move them in Spam / Storage

Believe me u are a man destroying yourself with you own hand?

Soon this life of world which is may be 70 years, 80 years or one hundred years will be over, but after your death please remember me what i said?

Don't blindly copy paste always do some research before pasting

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him always recognized that he was a human being.   He was a human, and he made mistakes.  Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran even mentioned some of Prophet Muhammad's mistakes:

"(The Prophet) frowned and turned away, Because there came to him the blind man (interrupting). But what could tell thee but that perchance he might grow (in spiritual understanding)?- Or that he might receive admonition, and the teaching might profit him? As to one who regards Himself as self-sufficient,  (The Noble Quran, 80:1-5)"

"O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which God has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.  (The Noble Quran, 66:1)"

There are more examples that I can provide, but I think these Noble Verses are sufficient enough.  So when we see Prayers to Allah Almighty from Prophet Muhammad, it wouldn't be a strange thing, because everyone, including the Prophets, needs Allah Almighty's Forgiveness, Mercy and Guidance.  Humans are humans and they are naturally sinners and offenders to Allah Almighty:

"If God were to punish men according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily God has in His sight all His Servants. (The Noble Quran, 35:45)"

"If Allah were to punish Men for their wrongdoing, He would not leave, on the (earth), A single living creature: But He gives them respite For a stated Term: When their Term expires, They would not be able To delay (the punishment) For a single hour, just as They would not be able To anticipate it (for a single hour).  (The Noble Quran, 16:61)"

In these Noble Verses we clearly see Allah Almighty saying that He wouldn't leave a single person (NOT EVEN HIS PROPHETS) alive on earth if He were to punish us according to what we deserve.

[AnnaMuslim]

I must admit PETER, your teachers taught you very well,They saw that you have a talent, a foul mind, the ability to make everything as evil as associating partners with ALLAH, unashamedly lying, a disgusting rationalisation of the truth.

Every line is filled with your falsehood and that of others. your links are nothing but links to more lies and twisting of Noble verses you do not understand, that you take out of context and twist for your own evil intentions.

IN ISLAM, THERE IS NO HATRED OTHER THAN OF EVILS LIKE ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD
MUHAMMAD DID NOT PROPAGATE HATRED, OF PEOPLE ON ACTIONS, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DEFEND THE TRUTH, NOT WITH TERROR BUT WAR 9ADHERING TO STRICT RULES OF ENGAGEMENT) THE QURAN IS ALSO A PROGRESSION FOR A PROGRESSIVE PERSON AND AS THE HUMAN RACE IS DIVERSE, WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT WITH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES IT IS ONLY FITTING THAT ALL THE HUMAN CONDITIONS WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN PASSING LAWS, THE WISDOM OF THE QURAN IS APPLICABLE TO EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IN THE HUMAN RACE TILL THE END OF TIME. IT HAS TO BE TAKEN IN CONTEXT, BEFITTING THE CIRCUMSTANCE AND IN COMPLETE CONFORMANCE TO THE LAWS OF ALLAH.

The New testament is not scripture , these are not even true words of the Desciples, these are not the even the words of a Prophet. These are translated and transcribed and interpretations of misguided individuals who has twisted the words of the desciples, and the editing by the Nicean council is not done with the authority of GOD or Jesus (Peace be upon him and his decsciples). The King James Version was written to sattisfy Henry viii in order that he may get divorced from his wife!!!!!!!!!! He (MAD HENRY, THE BOYLEN GIRL MADE HIM MAD) Promptly ordered the new version of the Bible to be Written as he broke ties with The roman catholics who by the why are the perpetrators of the heinious act of calling Jesus that which he is not in order to market the new religion to the Roman Empire
GOING BACK TO TIME OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL
The Romans had a family of GODS and it was only Logical that if you going to market the religion to them you better bring along a family of GODS with you.

Peter, what you know or think you know is so inferior to a muslim that you barely manage to read the sentences we type, let alone follow the logic or you would be Muslim by now!!!!!!

I am telling you that those who hate GOD, will say he has a son, those who has a war against God will falsify scripture, those who hate the Prophets would blindly follow liars like EllIS Skollfield and company,

The evidence is on the internet, find a Bible from within 325 years of Jesus, Find one Jewish scripture that has not been changed, or rewritten (their temples were destroyed many times before Jesus) Many of the old testament books are written from memory in a time of great evil, manipulated by the Rabbis and the divisions amongst the Jews. IF THE JEWS HAD THE RIGHT SCRIPTURE AND FOLLOWED IT THEIR WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE COMING OF JESUS. THEY DEVIATED FROM SCRIPTURE AND EVERY TIME THEY DEVIATED A PROPHET WAS SENT T THEM,NOT THE WHOLE OF MANKIND.


YOUR TRANSLATIONS OF QURANIC VERSES ARE DONE WITH YOUR PERVERSE MIND AND NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF DIALOGUE

QUESTION: TRANSLATE THIS FOR ME
CAN YOU TRANSLATE FOR THE MEANING OF A MAN THAT NEVER MARRIED, IS VERY GENTLE BY NATURE, SOME WOULD SAY EFEMINATE, ALWAYS SURROUNDED BY MEN WHO WASH HIS FEET AND WHOM HE SPENDS ALOT OT TIME WITH, CANNOT DEFEND HIMSELF AGAINST HIS ENEMIES, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL HIM???

IN OTHER WORDS STOP ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES

[resistingrexmundi]

I must admit PETER, your teachers taught you very well,They saw that you have a talent, a foul mind, the ability to make everything as evil as associating partners with ALLAH, unashamedly lying, a disgusting rationalisation of the truth.

Every line is filled with your falsehood and that of others. your links are nothing but links to more lies and twisting of Noble verses you do not understand, that you take out of context and twist for your own evil intentions.

IN ISLAM, THERE IS NO HATRED OTHER THAN OF EVILS LIKE ASCRIBING PARTNERS TO GOD
MUHAMMAD DID NOT PROPAGATE HATRED, OF PEOPLE ON ACTIONS, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DEFEND THE TRUTH, NOT WITH TERROR BUT WAR 9ADHERING TO STRICT RULES OF ENGAGEMENT) THE QURAN IS ALSO A PROGRESSION FOR A PROGRESSIVE PERSON AND AS THE HUMAN RACE IS DIVERSE, WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT WITH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES IT IS ONLY FITTING THAT ALL THE HUMAN CONDITIONS WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN PASSING LAWS, THE WISDOM OF THE QURAN IS APPLICABLE TO EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IN THE HUMAN RACE TILL THE END OF TIME. IT HAS TO BE TAKEN IN CONTEXT, BEFITTING THE CIRCUMSTANCE AND IN COMPLETE CONFORMANCE TO THE LAWS OF ALLAH.

The New testament is not scripture , these are not even true words of the Desciples, these are not the even the words of a Prophet. These are translated and transcribed and interpretations of misguided individuals who has twisted the words of the desciples, and the editing by the Nicean council is not done with the authority of GOD or Jesus (Peace be upon him and his decsciples). The King James Version was written to sattisfy Henry viii in order that he may get divorced from his wife!!!!!!!!!! He (MAD HENRY, THE BOYLEN GIRL MADE HIM MAD) Promptly ordered the new version of the Bible to be Written as he broke ties with The roman catholics who by the why are the perpetrators of the heinious act of calling Jesus that which he is not in order to market the new religion to the Roman Empire
GOING BACK TO TIME OF THE NICEAN COUNCIL
The Romans had a family of GODS and it was only Logical that if you going to market the religion to them you better bring along a family of GODS with you.

Peter, what you know or think you know is so inferior to a muslim that you barely manage to read the sentences we type, let alone follow the logic or you would be Muslim by now!!!!!!

I am telling you that those who hate GOD, will say he has a son, those who has a war against God will falsify scripture, those who hate the Prophets would blindly follow liars like EllIS Skollfield and company,

The evidence is on the internet, find a Bible from within 325 years of Jesus, Find one Jewish scripture that has not been changed, or rewritten (their temples were destroyed many times before Jesus) Many of the old testament books are written from memory in a time of great evil, manipulated by the Rabbis and the divisions amongst the Jews. IF THE JEWS HAD THE RIGHT SCRIPTURE AND FOLLOWED IT THEIR WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE COMING OF JESUS. THEY DEVIATED FROM SCRIPTURE AND EVERY TIME THEY DEVIATED A PROPHET WAS SENT T THEM,NOT THE WHOLE OF MANKIND.


YOUR TRANSLATIONS OF QURANIC VERSES ARE DONE WITH YOUR PERVERSE MIND AND NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF DIALOGUE

QUESTION: TRANSLATE THIS FOR ME
CAN YOU TRANSLATE FOR THE MEANING OF A MAN THAT NEVER MARRIED, IS VERY GENTLE BY NATURE, SOME WOULD SAY EFEMINATE, ALWAYS SURROUNDED BY MEN WHO WASH HIS FEET AND WHOM HE SPENDS ALOT OT TIME WITH, CANNOT DEFEND HIMSELF AGAINST HIS ENEMIES, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL HIM???

IN OTHER WORDS STOP ARGUING WITH ABSURDITIES

Since you feel so strongly about it why do you not simply show where Peter has mischaracterized Muhammad?

[AnnaMuslim]

First and foremostly, Muhammad's title before entering into prophethood was Al amin (the truthful one) the minute he declared that there is One God worthy of worship and that he was the messenger of GOD he became the enemy of the very people that gave him that title.

The question of the women is that you have a set of norms and ridiculing everyone that differs is gross prjudice and narrow mindedness.

None of your observations (lies and deception are valid )You are making comments  on events without citing the events:

 Let me give you my view of the Christian Americans: They are nothing but War mongering Murderers, Criminals they house 25% of the worlds worst criminals, the most serial rapist and paedofiles, war criminals who murdered people with no provocation in Nicaragua, San Salvador, Mexico, Vietnam, Iraq, Sudan and afghanistan for oil. They are the greatest play-makers, creators of illusions,(Top Actors) they love to watch as GOD's laws are broken on TV that is filled with violence, murder theft, illicit, sex, alcohol and profanity is normal for the population. They are corrupt and vote for corrupted Presidents that are in bed with terrorists (BUSH and Bin Laden are close friends) The Elite (ENRON and company) Steal millions from the POOR each year and enslave the population by making them believe it is democracy.
 YOU can avoid tax but not evade it and a good tax consultant will make sure you get some back, Muscle out the competition and only the fittest will survive

The Preachers Teach that man is an animal (ELLIS SKOLLFIELD talks about an entire population being a beast, GOD gave dignity and intelligence above animals and Ellis SKOLLGFIELD thinks he he better thatn GOD by calling the humans, Age of animals, bear lion, tiger, beasts!!!!! They Preach that tbecasuse a GOD DIED you free to do what you want, eat what want say what you want and insult and lose your dignity with whom you want there are no laws.

 Women walk around naked and fornicate at will (FREE sex with consenting partners is encouraged from a young age, before menstruation) by the time they on college you dont fit in, if don't sleep around till you pregnant or have aids or find a rich sucker to marry you who you going to divorce as he will be unfaithful. The democracy only works for you if you have money otherwise you an outcast,as you can only get your rights with a good lawyer. Find a sucker and sue him.

Drugs, alcohol, prostitution is encouraged in Church by the priest, calls it freedom of expression.

HOW AM I DOING, This is MY story I tell my kids about Christian AMericans,

YOURS ABOUT MUHAMMAD IS A LITTLE WORST< AT LEAST MY STORY CAN BE VERIFIED< YOURS IS PURE COMMENTARY AND CONJECTURE

TELL THE WHOLE STORY OF MUHAMMAD< MINUS YOUR PREJUDICIAL COMMENTS..!!!!!
 

[resistingrexmundi]

First and foremostly, Muhammad's title before entering into prophethood was Al amin (the truthful one) the minute he declared that there is One God worthy of worship and that he was the messenger of GOD he became the enemy of the very people that gave him that title.

The question of the women is that you have a set of norms and ridiculing everyone that differs is gross prjudice and narrow mindedness.

None of your observations (lies and deception are valid )You are making comments  on events without citing the events:

 Let me give you my view of the Christian Americans: They are nothing but War mongering Murderers, Criminals they house 25% of the worlds worst criminals, the most serial rapist and paedofiles, war criminals who murdered people with no provocation in Nicaragua, San Salvador, Mexico, Vietnam, Iraq, Sudan and afghanistan for oil. They are the greatest play-makers, creators of illusions,(Top Actors) they love to watch as GOD's laws are broken on TV that is filled with violence, murder theft, illicit, sex, alcohol and profanity is normal for the population. They are corrupt and vote for corrupted Presidents that are in bed with terrorists (BUSH and Bin Laden are close friends) The Elite (ENRON and company) Steal millions from the POOR each year and enslave the population by making them believe it is democracy.
 YOU can avoid tax but not evade it and a good tax consultant will make sure you get some back, Muscle out the competition and only the fittest will survive

The Preachers Teach that man is an animal (ELLIS SKOLLFIELD talks about an entire population being a beast, GOD gave dignity and intelligence above animals and Ellis SKOLLGFIELD thinks he he better thatn GOD by calling the humans, Age of animals, bear lion, tiger, beasts!!!!! They Preach that tbecasuse a GOD DIED you free to do what you want, eat what want say what you want and insult and lose your dignity with whom you want there are no laws.

 Women walk around naked and fornicate at will (FREE sex with consenting partners is encouraged from a young age, before menstruation) by the time they on college you dont fit in, if don't sleep around till you pregnant or have aids or find a rich sucker to marry you who you going to divorce as he will be unfaithful. The democracy only works for you if you have money otherwise you an outcast,as you can only get your rights with a good lawyer. Find a sucker and sue him.

Drugs, alcohol, prostitution is encouraged in Church by the priest, calls it freedom of expression.

HOW AM I DOING, This is MY story I tell my kids about Christian AMericans,

YOURS ABOUT MUHAMMAD IS A LITTLE WORST< AT LEAST MY STORY CAN BE VERIFIED< YOURS IS PURE COMMENTARY AND CONJECTURE

TELL THE WHOLE STORY OF MUHAMMAD< MINUS YOUR PREJUDICIAL COMMENTS..!!!!!
 

Your gross mischaracterization of Christianity aside I would ask you how a sane, sober-minded individual could say that Peter could not verify his analysis of Muhammad's debauchary when the greater part of this thread is replete with koranic verses and hadith that support the conclusions he reached. And I am sure you do tell your children such lies. You yourself are so blinded by your indoctrination you call evil good and good evil. You don't even notice, even after having it pointed out to you, that America does not equal Christianity. Nowhere in the Bible and most especially in the New Testament will you find a command to commit such immoral behaviour. Also Ellis did not call a whole civilization a beast. He said that in Daniel's vision a beast was a metaphor for a civilization. You should be proud because your literacy is about at the same level as Muhammad's. The whole story of Muhammad shows an orphaned boy who had the misfortune of being decieved by a seducing spirit and then indulging in his natural inclinations. Those including rape, slavery, theft, murder, dishonesty, and fornication. You have failed to show how any of these are a mischaracterization of Muhammad. Set your feelings aside and use the mind God gave you to reason.

[Peter]

Peter

Believe me a horrible dead end is awaiting for u, ......

Simply because you are willing to say something, doesn't make it so, my friend. Nothing more than your hollow words based on your brainwashing into your false prophet's phony 7th century religion. What do the scriptures say?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, BUT THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDETH ON HIM.

Hebrews 10:29 Of HOW MUCH SORER PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, WHO HATH TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, and HATH COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, and hath DONE DESPITE UNTO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

....... if u don't stop this, I have answer to all your question but  it seems u will move them in Spam / Storage

Only when you fail to engage in an exchange, like you still did while I was out of town.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1482.msg6349#msg6349
Now answer to these posts or you will have your posts put in spam until you do.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1482.msg6351#msg6351

Believe me u are a man destroying yourself with you own hand?

But it is you my friend, who rejects God to destroy yourself by the hand of the false prophet Mohammed and his phony god "Allah".
You failed altogether to make a case for Abraham and Ishmael to have made the 1200 kilometer trip to Mecca, a thousand years before anybody else did, and 1,800 years before Mecca was ever built.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1483.0
You failed to bring a single shred to historical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD.
You were shown that Mohammed "sold" his nonsense to a bunch of 7th century reprobates with the promise of wine, fornication and chicken in his "paradise".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.msg6246#msg6246
After compelling me to waste post after post you finally had to admit that you bow toward, venerate and circumambulate the black stone and it's kaaba just the way the pagan Star and jinn worshipers did before Mohammed was ever born. (from whom he stole the bizarre pagan rituals)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1050.msg6229#msg6229

You reject the scriptures to follow a man that peddled a bunch of 7th century nonsense, and one whom can be described exactly as this thread began, and then you actually believe that mine is the soul in jeopardy?

Soon this life of world which is may be 70 years, 80 years or one hundred years will be over, but after your death please remember me what i said?

Don't blindly copy paste always do some research before pasting

It is you that seek out and find all the lies you can to prop up your false prophet, from others that are brainwashed by false prophets like the Jehovah's Witnesses, and even Gnosticism.
What I copy and paste is from the Scriptures.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him always recognized that he was a human being.

And his corpse still lies rotting in it's shallow grave. This while you reject the shed blood of Jesus Christ who even you believe was taken physically to God.

 He was a human, and he made mistakes.

Which "mistakes" we will continue to explore in the thread where you made the preposterous suggestion that Mohammed was the natural successor to Jesus Christ.
Now please answer that post.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1482.msg6351#msg6351

[punisher]

But it is you my friend, who rejects God to destroy yourself by the hand of the false prophet Mohammed and his phony god "Allah".
You failed altogether to make a case for Abraham and Ishmael to have made the 1200 kilometer trip to Mecca, a thousand years before anybody else did, and 1,800 years before Mecca was ever built.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1483.0
You failed to bring a single shred to historical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD.
You were shown that Mohammed "sold" his nonsense to a bunch of 7th century reprobates with the promise of wine, fornication and chicken in his "paradise".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.msg6246#msg6246
After compelling me to waste post after post you finally had to admit that you bow toward, venerate and circumambulate the black stone and it's kaaba just the way the pagan Star and jinn worshipers did before Mohammed was ever born. (from whom he stole the bizarre pagan rituals)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1050.msg6229#msg6229

You reject the scriptures to follow a man that peddled a bunch of 7th century nonsense, and one whom can be described exactly as this thread began, and then you actually believe that mine is the soul in jeopardy?

Dear there are so many contradiction in Bible so no one can say nothing, every thing is changing which Bible tells us 100 years ago, now it is on other Place, after 100 year you will see the Location of  MT Sanai will be closer to Makkah and finally it will reach it's position.

The Bible lovers have made bible impossible to understand. That' why so many difficulties in Bible to understand it.
 
and u r defending a thing which never existed on earth, First follow something and than come up with me,

Your religion is nothing but a Fantasy by Paul , who is real anti Christ after Jesus
 

[resistingrexmundi]

But it is you my friend, who rejects God to destroy yourself by the hand of the false prophet Mohammed and his phony god "Allah".
You failed altogether to make a case for Abraham and Ishmael to have made the 1200 kilometer trip to Mecca, a thousand years before anybody else did, and 1,800 years before Mecca was ever built.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1483.0
You failed to bring a single shred to historical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD.
You were shown that Mohammed "sold" his nonsense to a bunch of 7th century reprobates with the promise of wine, fornication and chicken in his "paradise".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.msg6246#msg6246
After compelling me to waste post after post you finally had to admit that you bow toward, venerate and circumambulate the black stone and it's kaaba just the way the pagan Star and jinn worshipers did before Mohammed was ever born. (from whom he stole the bizarre pagan rituals)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1050.msg6229#msg6229

You reject the scriptures to follow a man that peddled a bunch of 7th century nonsense, and one whom can be described exactly as this thread began, and then you actually believe that mine is the soul in jeopardy?

Dear there are so many contradiction in Bible so no one can say nothing, every thing is changing which Bible tells us 100 years ago, now it is on other Place, after 100 year you will see the Location of  MT Sanai will be closer to Makkah and finally it will reach it's position.

The Bible lovers have made bible impossible to understand. That' why so many difficulties in Bible to understand it.
 
and u r defending a thing which never existed on earth, First follow something and than come up with me,

Your religion is nothing but a Fantasy by Paul , who is real anti Christ after Jesus
 

Before you start in on the Bible again, which I have shown you time and again you are misrepresenting, why not stick to the subject at hand. This thread is about Muhammad and his character. You have failed to succesfully refute a single characterization about him. Given that, I would venture you are unable to do so. That should give you pause. And it is easy to see why you have a hard time understanding the Bible when you invest so much time misunderstanding it.

[Peter]

This thread is about Muhammad and his character. You have failed to succesfully refute a single characterization about him. Given that, I would venture you are unable to do so. That should give you pause.

Indeed. The reason he can't answer a simple question is because he knows exactly what the answer means. He rejects Jesus Christ and the prophets, apostles and witnesses of the scriptures to follow a man revealed through his own books as a prisoner rapist.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1482.msg6377#msg6377

And it is easy to see why you have a hard time understanding the Bible when you invest so much time misunderstanding it.

But as a natural man he could never fully understand until such time as he repents.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Plus being filled with the spirit of antichrist puts him at an even greater disadvantage. The exact opposite of the gospel. The perfect opposite of a love of truth - exchanged for the love of a lie. He's been shown the truth but refuses to receive it.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[punisher]

Before you start in on the Bible again, which I have shown you time and again you are misrepresenting, why not stick to the subject at hand. This thread is about Muhammad and his character. You have failed to succesfully refute a single characterization about him. Given that, I would venture you are unable to do so. That should give you pause. And it is easy to see why you have a hard time understanding the Bible when you invest so much time misunderstanding it.

Thanks but its Peter who ask such question. So that i have to answer him

Otherwise i will try my best to stick to thread

thank again. I appreciate it?

[Peter]

But it is you my friend, who rejects God to destroy yourself by the hand of the false prophet Mohammed and his phony god "Allah".
You failed altogether to make a case for Abraham and Ishmael to have made the 1200 kilometer trip to Mecca, a thousand years before anybody else did, and 1,800 years before Mecca was ever built.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1483.0
You failed to bring a single shred to historical evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century AD.
You were shown that Mohammed "sold" his nonsense to a bunch of 7th century reprobates with the promise of wine, fornication and chicken in his "paradise".
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=466.msg6246#msg6246
After compelling me to waste post after post you finally had to admit that you bow toward, venerate and circumambulate the black stone and it's kaaba just the way the pagan Star and jinn worshipers did before Mohammed was ever born. (from whom he stole the bizarre pagan rituals)
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1050.msg6229#msg6229

You reject the scriptures to follow a man that peddled a bunch of 7th century nonsense, and one whom can be described exactly as this thread began, and then you actually believe that mine is the soul in jeopardy?

Dear there are so many contradiction in Bible so no one can say nothing, every thing is changing which Bible tells us 100 years ago, now it is on other Place, after 100 year you will see the Location of  MT Sanai will be closer to Makkah and finally it will reach it's position.

Only contradictions to natural men that are without the Spirit of God, that desire to make the scriptures a lie, and so create lies, to support their blasphemy against the scriptures.
Like "101 contradictions"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.0

The Bible lovers have made bible impossible to understand. That' why so many difficulties in Bible to understand it.

Then I recommend sticking with the Gospel, rather than God as He revealed himself to primitive men 3,000 years ago, and rather than as he is revealed through the figurative language of prophecy.
The Gospel is easy to understand and it is the final revelation of God to mankind. If you haven't read it, why not?
It is the #1 best selling book of all time. Why not try the Gospel of John to start? Here's a link to the most highly regarded English version the King James
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
Here's a link to an Arabic language bible and an Arabic audio bible too
http://www.arabicbible.com/

and u r defending a thing which never existed on earth, ......

But even you yourself said
"First of all, no archaeological find has ever contradicted the Bible.  Archaeology has only confirmed what the Bible says."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1483.msg6070#msg6070

....... First follow something and than come up with me,

What you follow are 7th and 8th century historical fiction, lies of antichrists, and the word or a moral reprobate.

Your religion is nothing but a Fantasy by Paul , who is real anti Christ after Jesus

My friend, God's people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years. You long ago were shown that it is foolish for you to pick on Paul when you MUST REJECT ALL of the prophets and Apostles as revealed in the scriptures to follow your false prophet antichrist.

[punisher]

Only contradictions to natural men that are without the Spirit of God, that desire to make the scriptures a lie, and so create lies, to support their blasphemy against the scriptures.
Like "101 contradictions"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.0

Dear Peter Let See some of the contradiction of Bible. Let see what the myth of spirit says about this?

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

    * God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
    * Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

Can u please throw some light what is difference b/w God and Satan.

If Bible is true than one must accept and no contradiction in Bible

Bible is saying that God=Satan

If one accept Bible is corrupted by evil people for their desires

than

God is not equal to Satan

2.  God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

   
              * Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
              * Three (I Chronicles 21:12)


 Dear if the Bible is God's word can u tell me that God memory is so weak that people he can't remember the exact figure

There are so many contradiction in Bible. This is not proper time to discuss?

Then I recommend sticking with the Gospel, rather than God as He revealed himself to primitive men 3,000 years ago, and rather than as he is revealed through the figurative language of prophecy.
The Gospel is easy to understand and it is the final revelation of God to mankind. If you haven't read it, why not?
It is the #1 best selling book of all time. Why not try the Gospel of John to start? Here's a link to the most highly regarded English version the King James
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm
Here's a link to an Arabic language bible and an Arabic audio bible too
http://www.arabicbible.com/

Which Gospel Dear ?

Can u tell me  Reason Why There Are Different Gospel Authors According to Christians.

Where is true Gospel Which Belong to Jesus?

Why I follow Peter or Paul who are the forefather of Christianity. Why I don't follow Jesus?

infact there is no Gospel which belong to Jesus?

The book of Mark is said to be dated between years 65-80

The book of Matthew is said to be dated years 80-100

The book of Luke is said to be dated years 80-100

The book of John is said to be dated years 90-120

But even you yourself said
"First of all, no archaeological find has ever contradicted the Bible.  Archaeology has only confirmed what the Bible says."
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1483.msg6070#msg6070

You missed the quantum Point what i said?

What you follow are 7th and 8th century historical fiction, lies of antichrists, and the word or a moral reprobate.


My friend, God's people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years. You long ago were shown that it is foolish for you to pick on Paul when you MUST REJECT ALL of the prophets and Apostles as revealed in the scriptures to follow your false prophet antichrist.

SO what we follow is the truth? U follow nothing dear?

Can u tell me? What u r following?

1. Ur society is break all the limits made By Allah

2.  Sex is usual?

3. Look at ur Women what they doing?

4. Look at ur Men what they are doing?

5. Look at ur Priests what they are doing raping the innocent girls in the Churshes. Is that Christianity u follow.

U r following nothing but following the myth that Jesus Christ will take u into the Heaven?

NO dear u r following a myth?

[Peter]

Stop double spacing your posts. It wastes forum space and is generally a device used by those that are trying to run away from prior posts, but quickly getting them indexed to prior pages.
It was my mistake to answer to your off-topic post. I just wanted you to see why you cannot understand scripture as a natural man that does not have the Spirit of God. I had hoped you might read a little Gospel, but I know that is asking a lot of a Muslim, since Jesus saves millions, simply by reading just a chapter or book. Even sometimes just a verse.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus

But the subject of this thread is A SINGLE, 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife stealing, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, lying, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament."

Can u tell me  Reason Why There Are Different Gospel Authors According to Christians.

One Gospel. Different WITNESSES.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

The exact thing that Mohammed lacked entirely.
Who was witness to Mohammed taking off on his fanciful flying animal to go to Jerusalem, Heaven, and back to Mecca by morning? NOBODY. Yet you believe that malarkey. Indeed his preposterous claim of his fanciful night flight is why you bow to a black stone 5 times a day and perform ablution, even though Mohammed stole the ritual of praying 5 times a day, and performing ablution, from the 2nd century occult cult, of the Sabians that he and his cousins were into up to their eyeballs.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1253.0

Where is true Gospel Which Belong to Jesus?

In scripture, and nowhere else.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/gospel_of_john.htm

Why I follow Peter or Paul who are the forefather of Christianity.

The question is, why do you reject them, in favor of A SINGLE 7th century illiterate that is revealed through your own books as a reprobate.

Why I don't follow Jesus?

infact there is no Gospel which belong to Jesus?

Of course there is, as revealed through the new covenant/testament, but you must reject ALL OF THE WITNESSES of the Gospel in order to follow Mohammed.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

Mark 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.

Luke 24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.

John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also [his] coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.

Now let's get back to discussion about your false prophet's morality. Rather than splitting that subject into two threads, please keep the conversation on the thread that YOU STARTED with the preposterous notion that Mohammed was the "natural successor" to Jesus Christ.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1482.msg6407#msg6407

[punisher]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Can u please explain me the word "BEGOTTEN " What does it mean

[Peter]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Can u please explain me the word "BEGOTTEN " What does it mean

Threads regarding the term "begotten"
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=215.0

Who was Jesus" Father?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=316.0

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Luk 3:22 ...and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.      
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Did you ever notice that Mohammed's "Allah" taught you what to DISbelieve?
Who might inspire a 7th century religion whose most important fundamentals regard what NOT to believe?
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=628.0
Whose "prophet" was, as your books reveal him to have been.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?board=53.0

[Mujaheed]

This category is included to collect information about Mohammed, as bequeathed to us through the Quran and hadith, so we can get a better idea as to what kind of man he was.

Sometimes I present an argument to Muslims on YouTube such as:

Surely you can see how peculiar it is to suggest that the 1600 year record of God to mankind, through all of the prophets and witnesses as revealed in that record, that God's people have followed through two covenants for 3500 years, would be nullified hundreds of years after that record closed, through the STAND-ALONE 23 year record of recitations of A SINGLE, 7th century, illiterate, pillaging, plundering, murdering, child doing, prisoner raping, stepson's only wife taking, sex slave prostituting, concubine fornicating, cheating, blood drenched, imperialistic, conquering, terrorist, thief. A man, and book that are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus and the New Testament.

(Each characterization has a link to more specifics on the subjects from the Quran and Hadith for discussion of each characterization.)

I challenge Muslims to advise as to whether a single characterization, is not supported by Islam's own books, so I can make corrections to the list. To date there has not been effective refutation of a single one of the above characterizations. Muslims offer the same tired "you are insulting our prophet" line ad nauseum, but it is Islam's own books that insult Mohammed, not those of us that simply point it out.

I would appreciate it, if Muslims would log in to this forum, and provide corrections for the list on the threads at the links. Of course my brief, and relatively Mohammed friendly list, pales in comparison to others such as Sina's $50,000 challenge to correct his list: http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm

Following Mohammed may have been understandable for a bunch of 7th century desert dwelling illiterates that lusted after the property, wives, and children of others. But the only way Muslims loyalty to such a man, can be reasonably explained away in this 21st century information age, is that Mohammed's followers are filled with the spirit of antichrist.

So I inquire of our Muslim friends:

God's people have followed him for 3500 years through 2 covenants by the 1600 year record of ALL of the prophets, apostles and witnesses in God's Holy Word.

Muslims must necessarily REJECT ALL of the prophets and apostles as they are revealed in that record, to follow the 23 year record of A SINGLE 7th century "prophet", that had no fulfilled prophecy, that not a single person ever heard Gabriel or Allah's voice give a revelation to, who never performed a single miracle, that WAS and taught the EXACT OPPOSITE of Jesus Christ. They also must REJECT ALL of the prophets and witnesses as they are revealed in the Old Testament, for Mohammed's historically impossible version of those prophets, even reciting as though Abraham and Nimrod were contemporaries, even though they didn't live within 700 years of each other.
http://petewaldo.com/islam_is_the_opposite.htm

The Quran teaches that Mohammed was a thief.

Please be more specific in this forum start with O lord what is the best of the commandments and then go on to say what the first pillar of Islam is!

YOUR OPINIONATED SELF SERVING COMMENTS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS OR ANY SCRIPTURE OR MUHAMMAD FOR THAT MATTER IT IS YOUR VILE WORDS AS JESUS WARNED US OF SCRIBES AND PHARISEES< FALSE WITNESSES THAT CLAIM THEY SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF JESUS ARE NOTHING BUT SATANS HELPERS

Links to your own comments and listing hadith then explaining it in view of your opinion only goes to show that your knowledge is very limited, your intellect is not fully develop (you lack basic argumentative skills) that is why the majrity of the scholars I have mailed have said and I quote " dont waste your time with that Idiot), I said that Idiot is also a creation OF ALLAH AND HE AT LEAST IS WILLING TO TALK ABOUT ALLAH AND THE NABI MUHAMMAD, AND in my limited experience most who enter into this kind of conversations (Sheihk Yusuf Estes is a very good example) eventually become Muslim (BY THE WILL OF ALLAH) I am not here to convince you merely to point out that you heading in the opposite direction of Jesus. LOVE, HOPE , Charity, Prayers, fasting, spreading the Good news Injeel (GOSPEL) not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.

[Peter]

.... in my limited experience most who enter into this kind of conversations (Sheihk Yusuf Estes is a very good example) eventually become Muslim ......

A very good example of a "convert" to Islam, since by his own admission in his testimony when he and his father were in Christian ministry money was what was important. He describes himself as a scholar (which is exposed as self-delusion in his videos) but apparently never noticed the verse that says one cannot serve mammon and God. Just another Greek sophist styled entertainer like Deedat, but looks to be dressed in a butcher's apron.

.....  (BY THE WILL OF ALLAH) I am not here to convince you merely to point out that you heading in the opposite direction of Jesus.

Who's heading in the opposite direction of Jesus?

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

[/b][/size] LOVE, HOPE , Charity, ......

I will admit that I have become somewhat hardened over the years of being exposed to constant Islamic blasphemy against YHWH/Yeshua. But in one of your first posts you characterized former Muslims, that shared their sweet gentile stories of how they found the love of Jesus Christ, and their conversion from Islam to Christianity as "These videos lack inspiration, they are sad stories of obviously GOD_less individuals that came from nothing ...." demonstrating that it really doesn't matter in what manner, or which type of approach the Gospel is brought to you, your hard heart will reject it. That's why we offer both personal and technical types of approaches.

..... Prayers, fasting, spreading the Good news Injeel (GOSPEL) not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.

But that is coming from someone who posted approval of Islamic conquest and subjugation, oppression and enslavement of formerly free people. http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1934.0
From someone that justified Mohammed and his boys beheading of 800 boys and men, rape of their wives and children, and theft of their property, as being proper, just and good.
Someone who approved Mohammed and his boys 7th century rape of captives as being of God.
Approved their theft of the property of others in the 7th century as being of God, with Mohammed receiving 1/5 of the booty for himself just like a Mafia Don.
All while being 1500 years after even the Old Testament prophets had laid down their swords or suggestion of the use of the sword in God's service.
http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=935.0

[Mujaheed]

.... in my limited experience most who enter into this kind of conversations (Sheihk Yusuf Estes is a very good example) eventually become Muslim ......

A very good example of a "convert" to Islam, since by his own admission in his testimony, when he and his father were in Christian ministry money was what was important. He describes himself as a scholar (which is exposed as self-delusion in his videos) but apparently never noticed the verse that says one cannot serve mammon and God.

.....  (BY THE WILL OF ALLAH) I am not here to convince you merely to point out that you heading in the opposite direction of Jesus. LOVE, HOPE , Charity, ......

I will admit that I have become somewhat hardened over the years of being exposed to constant Islamic blasphemy against YHWH/Yeshua. But in one of your first posts you characterized former Muslims, that shared their sweet gentile stories of how they found the love of Jesus Christ, and their conversion from Islam to Christianity as "These videos lack inspiration, they are sad stories of obviously GOD_less individuals that came from nothing ...." demonstrating that it really doesn't matter in what manner, or which type of approach the Gospel is brought to you, your hard heart will reject it. That's why we offer both personal and technical types of approaches.

..... Prayers, fasting, spreading the Good news Injeel (GOSPEL) not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.

Who's heading in the opposite direction of Jesus?

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

BLOOD SACRIFICE? for the remission of sins? BLOOD OF A HUMAN BEING? Or BLOOD OF A GOD? HOW CAN A GOD BLEED< HOW CAN A GOD TAKE ON SIN< SO THE GOD IS NOW WITH ALL THE SIN? WHERE DOES THE SIN GO?

YOU NOT KEEPING TO ANYTHING THAT JESUS CAME TO TEACH ARE YOU?

IT IS SO CONVENIENT TO SAY I DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF GOD< A GOD OR A SON OF GOD OR THE SON OF MAN DIED< BUT HE DID NOT REALLY DIE AS HE CHEATED DEATH? AND TOOKK ON ALL MY SINS< LIKE TAKEN ALL MY DIRT< IS SIN LIKE A PHYSICAL THING TO BE TAKEN< FROM WHERE? THE HEART? THE SOUL OR THE SPIRIT?

YOU SAY ONE THING AND IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE BIBLE PREACHES.

IT IS A CONUNDRUM isn't it?
IF YOU SAY I WONT UNDERSTAND IT PROVES MY POINT THAT THE CONJECTURE IS NOTHING BUT AN UNSOLVED CONUNDRUM. NONSENSICAL WORDS THAT SOUND RIGHT BUT HAVE NO MEANING OR BEARING ON REALITY>
SOUNDS EXTREMELY SATANIC TO ME

[Peter]

You already made it clear that you reject the WHOLE SUBJECT of Gospel http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1175.0 to follow Mohammed's 7th century "law". http://islamchristianforum.com/index.php?topic=1955.0

[PeteWaldo]

.... in my limited experience most who enter into this kind of conversations (Sheihk Yusuf Estes is a very good example) eventually become Muslim ......

A very good example of a "convert" to Islam, since by his own admission in his testimony, when he and his father were in Christian ministry money was what was important. He describes himself as a scholar (which is exposed as self-delusion in his videos) but apparently never noticed the verse that says one cannot serve mammon and God.

.....  (BY THE WILL OF ALLAH) I am not here to convince you merely to point out that you heading in the opposite direction of Jesus. LOVE, HOPE , Charity, ......

I will admit that I have become somewhat hardened over the years of being exposed to constant Islamic blasphemy against YHWH/Yeshua. But in one of your first posts you characterized former Muslims, that shared their sweet gentile stories of how they found the love of Jesus Christ, and their conversion from Islam to Christianity as "These videos lack inspiration, they are sad stories of obviously GOD_less individuals that came from nothing ...." demonstrating that it really doesn't matter in what manner, or which type of approach the Gospel is brought to you, your hard heart will reject it. That's why we offer both personal and technical types of approaches.

..... Prayers, fasting, spreading the Good news Injeel (GOSPEL) not insulting and acting like a raving lunatic.

Who's heading in the opposite direction of Jesus?

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

BLOOD SACRIFICE? for the remission of sins? BLOOD OF A HUMAN BEING? Or BLOOD OF A GOD? HOW CAN A GOD BLEED< HOW CAN A GOD TAKE ON SIN< SO THE GOD IS NOW WITH ALL THE SIN? WHERE DOES THE SIN GO?

YOU NOT KEEPING TO ANYTHING THAT JESUS CAME TO TEACH ARE YOU?

Yes I am, as I showed you, and you quoted.

IT IS SO CONVENIENT TO SAY I DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF GOD< A GOD OR A SON OF GOD OR THE SON OF MAN DIED< BUT HE DID NOT REALLY DIE AS HE CHEATED DEATH? AND TOOKK ON ALL MY SINS< LIKE TAKEN ALL MY DIRT< IS SIN LIKE A PHYSICAL THING TO BE TAKEN< FROM WHERE? THE HEART? THE SOUL OR THE SPIRIT?

Six years later but for others, even as Muslims believe that the first drop of blood shed by a sinful so-called "martyr", that dies inadvertently while engaged in the act of imperialistic aggression, not only absolves himself of his own sin, but allows him to intercede for 70 of his nearest.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/index.htm

YOU SAY ONE THING AND IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE BIBLE PREACHES.

It is the most important subject, since early in God's revelation to mankind:

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul.

And its fulfillment in the Gospel:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

IT IS A CONUNDRUM isn't it?

Only for Muhammadans who must reject the crucifixion of Christ, and thus the shed blood of the sinless Messiah, because of their faith in Muhammad alone.

IF YOU SAY I WONT UNDERSTAND IT PROVES MY POINT THAT THE CONJECTURE IS NOTHING BUT AN UNSOLVED CONUNDRUM. NONSENSICAL WORDS THAT SOUND RIGHT BUT HAVE NO MEANING OR BEARING ON REALITY>
SOUNDS EXTREMELY SATANIC TO ME